Natalie: Today n the show I'm speaking with Julian Kalmar and this is by far the most amazing and interesting interview I have ever done. So, stay tuned.

Natalie: Hi! I'm Natalie Ledwell and this is The Inspiration Show. Now, a month or so ago I had a special interview with Julian Kalmar and I promised a second interview with him because his journey from catastrophic injury to discovering how spirituality connects to the universe directly affects all of us who are seeking to better our lives through the law of attraction. Now, I have to tell you that this show is unlike any show that I've done before. It actually goes a 50 minutes but the information in it is so compelling and life changing that after wrestling with whether I should condensed it or split it into two shows, I decided to keep it as it is. You know it took human beings a long time to recognize the law of attraction and now the universal laws and we're just at the beginning of using these laws to better our lives. Now, the question that Julian asks is, "What if you could speak to the universe directly? And have it tell you the specifics part to take to reach a deeply rewarding and fulfilling life." Well, today Julian is presenting his own remarkable answer to that question. This is definitely one of my most fascinating and inspiring interviews because you'll learn about a truly re-unique process for discovering and pursuing your passions in life purpose and then take those to the next logical step to lead to the most meaningful life that you've never imagined and that's one that's imperfect alignment with yourself. So, with that being said, welcome back Julian.

Julian: Hi, Natalie. Thank you for having me again. Hello, everyone.

Natalie: Now, Julian I got to tell you that what we're about to discuss today absolutely fascinates me. Partly, because the way that you discovered your date form spiritual connection and partly, because it answers so many questions that we've had since childhood about why we're here, what we meant to be learning or what we meant to be doing. Now, last time you shared with us how your journey through spinning tree transformed you from being a very highly analytical physicist to a warm and fuzzy spiritual guy doing the good work of the universe and how because of this your work on endorsed inspire people like Jack Canfield from The Secret and Deepak Chopra and Archbishop Desmond Tutu and even Mahatma Gandhi's grandson Arun Gandhi. So, today we're gonna talk about your work of the last 18 months which actually takes the law of attraction to a whole new level because rather than chasing after things that we think we'll make us happy, kinda like kids in a toy store. You're getting people to deeply connect to their soul to discover what they will find most fulfilling according to the core of who they are. Now, I've been dying to share this with everyone because what you're doing has the capacity to restore our beautiful planet as we deeply impact our own lives by learning how to use your method that you teach. Now, you started this journey 11 years ago as a completely different person than who you are today. Now, you've studied physics, you know you've worked in technical and analytical fields in your life including NASA and you prodded yourself on your analytical view point so much that you poopooed any kind of spirituality and things that people believed in that couldn't be scientifically proven. But today, you're guiding people to awaking spiritually and what you're doing is definitely not religion or spirituality as usual. So, you are teaching people how to achieve a life in harmony with their soul and their very reason for being here. So, what on earth happened to you? You know how are you doing this? Where did you get these profound teachings from?

Julian: Natalie, it's what you said a moment ago that made me the best place to start explaining what happened. I know everyone watching has felt that they are here for a very important reason or purpose. We've known this in our hearts since we were small but we can't exactly put our finger on what it is we're meant to be doing in the world. We just know that we're somehow special and unique. We're not sure how to proceed to find out or what to do about it, we just know there is something out there for us. What is it we're meant to be doing? Many of us have had beautiful visions of what the world could be like and we've had ideas for how we would go about creating that world and especially as kids, we might have expressed those visions to adults and other children. But upon hearing us expressed these visions, others may have called us naive or idealistic and they may have even made fun of us for expressing how we saw the world as it could be and revealing these sacred inner parts of ourselves out loud. We've gotten hurt by their responses and so, we've learned to keep part of ourselves hidden. In fact, we've become very guarded about revealing our true selves because of the cruelty we've experienced. And we've learned that if we want others to like us and to love us and not reject us, we should try to appear somewhat more normal and fashionable in our beliefs and not to express our innermost visions. The result is that most of us lived plain, ordinary, boring lives and we found ourselves to be cut off and very lonely in some ways because we can't express the true joy of our soul. We're afraid to be who we are, afraid to dream, afraid to imagine and so, we have deep hidden longings to express the special gift of beauty we would only give the world if we could. We find ourselves unhappy, depressed, unfulfilled and we don't know why. The why is simple really. We've cut ourselves off from the fulfillment we would find by expressing and creating the beautiful visions that come to us because they've been labeled idealistic, naive, pie in the sky fantasies and so forth. In the process of protecting yourselves, we've plugged up the pathway through which the natural joy of our souls sing out with infinite creativity and love. We've lost our way. We no longer remember why we incarnated and what we were meant to be doing here. And it's all because when we were first criticized; we didn't have the social, emotional and mental skills to be okay in the face of others criticisms, others mocking and others laughter. So, today we keep up the pattern of building walls and of hiding. Now, we find ourselves trapped halfway between being fully alive, expressing ourselves as we truly are deep down and being completely dead by disconnecting completely from the voices of our souls. We are at best half alive, half aware of the deeper part of ourselves but living in ways that seem normal to the outer world. We choose to not stand out as being different. The penalty for seeming normal on the outside is extreme and severe and we naturally find ourselves in many kinds of pain because of it. We try to be normal but we are most definitely different than the rest. We are unique. We are special. We have gifts to share and we have a beautiful vision to express in the world. We've just lost our way. But part of us still remembers and dearly wants to be free to live our true lives of abundance, brilliance, inspiration and to express the life of pure joy we got glimpses of in our childhood before we learned to hide away. So, we come to places like your site Natalie for inspiration and hope and the tantalizing possibility that we really can become free where we can fully expressed who we are and lived with much greater awareness of our true purpose and nature. We're excited to be free but we're still afraid of getting hurt. I'm here to tell everyone that your life of hiding the beauty of your sacred inner self is about to come to an end because the irresistible path I'm going to lay out for you today will give you the greatest freedom you've ever experienced, the greatest sense of aliveness and the greatest love and joy. Before I do though, I want to bring one other piece of this puzzle of living in earthly form into the mix. We've all had deeply spiritual moments. These were high moments of realization, of connection, of understanding, of awakenment and we may have even felt very much loved and completely accepted for exactly who we are. There is nothing to prove, no standards to meet to be accepted. For many of us, we felt these high feelings as a result of participating in conventional religion. For others of us, we've had spiritual experiences independently, such as going way out into nature to a very quite peaceful place and suddenly we find ourselves filled with awe and deeply connected to the place, to nature and to the universe and all there is in it. These connection experiences that exist outside the realm of our daily experiencing of the world are very powerful and deeply personal. They give us a special understanding that there is something greater to this life of ours and other dimension beyond what we see on the surface. There is more and is not measurable by scientific instruments. It's really there and it's undeniable, you feel it. Now, we don't necessarily know what lies beyond but whether you're religious or not, you know exactly what I'm talking about. These connection experiences are real and they changed us. They change our perception of the world we live in and they often provide us great hope and a kind of spiritual excitation. For those who have felt great love and great acceptance during these experiences, these are life changing experiences that exceed the bounds of religion for many of us. They are the experience of direct connection and many of us refer to this direct connection experiences as the experiencing of God or communing with God. Natalie, my unbelievably radical transformation from mister hard analytical physicist to mister warm and fuzzy spiritual guy became possible because of a direct connection experienced. It shattered everything I thought I knew about the physical world and how it works and it radically altered my experienced of the life I was living. After seven years of having these direct connection experiences, 10 months ago I started teaching people how to have their own direct connection experiences and every single person I've shared this knowledge with now uses this method of obtaining higher guidance, to first reveal the great big important thing they were meant to be doing in this lifetime and then pursuing it. This form of deeply spiritual direct connection to the universe is a radical departure from most religions, yet remains completely compatible with them. It's not religion. It's not dogma. There are no holy books, no doctrines. There is just you and the universe. Nothing stands between you and higher guidance and the wisdom insight and inspiration and love you encounter will blow your mind. After years of studying and thinking about physics, I had no clue that any of these existed and from where I stood at that time, there is no way I would have believed any of it. It took a serious spine injury for me to awaken to the fact that there is a much bigger universe out there and a much bigger life out there than the surface life most of us are concerned with and the surface ideas we have of abundance, deep fulfillment and meaning. We have no clue of the possible lives we could be living if we only knew how to access the power of our spiritual heritage.

Natalie: Now, Julian I know what you're about to reveal but before you do, can you give everyone the same background information you gave me about how you discover this hidden doorway to these extraordinary life that you're living.

Julian: Well, Natalie as we discussed on part one of this interview, I suffered that severe spine injury that landed me literally in bed for three years and put me through five spine surgeries. I shared much of what happened to me on the outside. What I didn't reveal was what was happening on the inside. You see, for that entire three year period lying in bed, I was unable to sit. I could only keep my body in a straight line either lying down or standing up and I really couldn't stand for any length of time. Of course, real life went on without me. Debt was piling up with no relief insight but for some reason and I still cannot explain why, I possessed a great certainty that my condition was simply temporary. Spine surgery number 5 looked like it would finally get me back on my feet but then; things began going downhill very quickly. You know when you're in that kind of state of being truly humbled by your outer physical condition, you start paying attention to the little things that have been going on in your life. I'm sure you've heard that if someone loses their eyesight for example, other senses become sharpened. They can hear better than the average person. They use their sense of smell and touch like never before and their sense of taste can expand greatly too. Well, so it was for me. I began recognizing the subtle and not so subtle things going on in my life and in a way I started hearing and seeing with greater clarity than ever before and not just with my physical eyes and ears. Gradually, I started paying more and more attention to those things that were really keeping me alive. You see, in the practical world we all know that money and job and food keep us alive, we know that and because of it we seek abundance. But if we focus purely on creating physical abundance, we lose ourselves to the process. Before my injury I was completely lost to this process of creating abundance. I was making a very nice six figure income from my work in software development but I was constantly under deadline pressure that put me under extraordinary stress and this is typical. These are the typical symptoms of someone who devotes themselves to manufacturing money in a way that is out of harmony with one's soul. True. It produced and supported the outer lifestyle I wanted for myself and my beloved Joni but this way of living polluted my soul and this inter-pollution radiated outwards from me. I appeared as someone who was harsh and frequently insensitive and there was no question that the feelings of others were a secondary consideration to my money-making lifestyle. My work was analytical that I became analytical to the point that I regularly failed to understand how others felt and gave little kindness or compassion. In a discussion or a disagreement, my analysis, my view point was absolutely right and others were absolutely wrong. I was a success in my own mind but a poor example of a human being. On the other hand, over the years I had had my moments of becoming very quite on the inside and recognizing deeper spirituality but these moments were just so far and few between. And so, it became time one day for the universe to alter my perspective with a severe spine injury that would humble me and start to make me aware of another side of life that I had previously, barely acknowledged. So, I lay there flat on my back, staring at the ceiling and slowly awareness started to dawned on me. I became deeply grateful for example, that I could stand up and go to the bathroom by myself and take a shower every few days. The biggest blessing of my life was that in spite of myself, I was in an incredibly loving relationship with my dear Joni who showed me love, compassion and kindness as I'd never known it from another soul, a devotion that transformed me a little at a time over many years. Joni just lit up the room when she'd come in with a big smile to help my lying down self in any way she could. So, in this way I was the luckiest man who ever lived and she was helping me become more aware. Her constant efforts at loving me were about to open an invisible door that I didn't know existed. I didn't see it coming and it would completely undo my analytical persona and my view of life and the universe. You see, after spine surgery number 5, I did improve for a time. It looked like I finally was on my way back to my old life but then, in what seem like a cruel twisted fate, things got really bad. I have excruciating stabbing pains in my feet and legs, numbness, partial paralysis, muscles removing of their own accord and I had bladder and bowel problems to boot. I was in serious serious trouble. As you can imagine Natalie, I was really tired of the situation by then, in fact, I was near the end of my rope. I wasn't suicidal or anything like that but boy, I needed help and by that point I take help from any source. I mean any source that presented itself. I was ready to be out of this mess. I'm not sure if you've ever experienced or being in a place of feeling like there is little to look forward to except more pain but if you have you understand where I was at that point. I felt like any hope of my life being restored was rapidly draining away.

Natalie: Okay. So, you're about to get this across of your life from a door that opened from an unexpected direction. So, what happened?

Julian: Yes, Natalie. I was at the lowest point in this adventure and my world was about to disintegrate and then be rebuild in a way I could not even conceived of at the time. My dear Joni had for the longest time wanted to study reiki which is a spiritual healing practice from Japan and she'd taken the first two courses. Now, she's a very good natural healer but she wanted to get her master level reiki training with a well-known reiki teacher who was doing a training session in Oregon. So, in spite of the obvious financial concerns we were having, I said, "Go." She'd be gone for a week and with some arranged help I was holding my ground at that point. She loved the training and the experienced with the teacher and was very excited when she came back. It was after she got back though that my spine condition got even worse. There's no way really to express in words how bad things were. All I can tell you was I was so tired of the pain, just so tired. Joni asked me, did I want a healing? Oh, boy. At that moment more than anything else in the world, she wanted to help me and at that point I so dearly wanted to be healed. So, with all her natural healing ability, all her love and her new found reiki training, she began working on me as I lay face down on the bed. Instantly, I felt as if my lungs were on fire on the inside. So, I jokingly asked her, "Does that thing come with an air conditioner?" Humor tells the better end, right? Clearly though something was happening as she began her healing work and she worked on me from head to toe. My intense desire to be out of this mess and her most loving and sincere desire to help me back in one piece merged into an intense love that I've never felt before. I felt more in love in that moment than anything I'd ever experienced in my life and that's when it happened. I said to her, "I see someone." In my minds eyes I saw the figure of someone approaching me. Instantly, without missing a beat, she said, "Ask them their name." I did, mentally. And I didn't get the name right the first time, so it was spelled out for me. Joni then asked question after question and I answered back with the information I was given right there in the most loving and infinite now moment. This went on for some time and then Joni closed off the healing session. Afterwards, she got pencil and paper and wrote down what came through me as best as we could remember it. I had no idea what just happened. I had no mental place on which to put it. Joni is the healer, the intuitive, the connected one to things I just never believed in, never understood and never experienced and yet, something had just happened to me, through me and mister analytical physicist had nothing in previous experienced to make sense of it. So, this experienced just sat out there all alone by itself, hanging in space with no mental pegs or shelves in which to place it. That we would go through this a couple more times with Joni acting as our scribe so to speak, recording everything and hand written notes, formalized the process for us but I still had no clue what the heck was this. Why was it happening to me? Instead of my dear intuitive Joni who always had a tendency to words such communications. What on earth did it owe me? Was it real? These questions just keep circulating in my head until one day, about three or four months into this, I was in the shower and I thought, "Gee! I wonder if this is what psychic's do when they channel?" So, I consulted the masters of all such things and post the question to Joni and she said, "Yes, this is what they do." So, I was channeling? Wooah! I guess I was. Okay. Well that at least gave me a name for it and the crude mental hook on which to place these communications but could this really be communication or was it just my mind? I would have this question every single time we had these sessions and let me tell you there is no way a physicist is going to believe this stuff not without some kind of proof. You know if you do a physics experiment, it should be repeatable, reliable, predictable, the scientific method, etcetera, etcetera. So, this is how this most amazing adventure all began for us.

Natalie: Okay. So, Julian you've been doing this for eight years now. When did you finally become convinced that this was real?

Julian: Natalie, even though we were connecting like this every week, I always doubted the validity of it. It was simply impossible but it kept happening. I kept thinking it was my creative imagination and it was just so unfathomable that this was happening through me. I didn't believe in this stuff. I had no reason to believe in it but then, Joni asked a question one day and I'll never forget this. After about a year of weekly communication sessions, Joni asked me one lunch time if I'd like to hear her read back one of the sessions. Of course, I was always there in the room when they happened so I knew what they said but she seemed to want to read one back to me and so I said, "Sure." We were sitting on the sofa and she began reading. I sat there in utter disbelief of what I was hearing. I was totally and completely shocked. You know if I go to write something, I have to think about it, organize the material, write it, edit, re-write, it's just a long grueling process for me. But here is something dictated to me and through me in the infinite now moment perfectly. It was fully edited text that was given out of my mouth without revision, without thought, without planning, nothing from me and then there was what we said. This wasn't smart or clever; this was wisdom I'd never thought about or heard before. Something was happening through me but it clearly was not from me. You know I had a pretty good vocabulary but there had been many things, many times when words were used that we had to go and look up in the dictionary afterwards to see if they were used in the right context and if they were the right words and whether they made sense and they always did. Private moments and long forgotten things than by people who have long since passed or describe through my mouth about people I'd never known and they all turned out to be true. So, in that moment, sitting there, listening to Joni read back those communication, my entire hue of the world crumbled and was about to be rebuild. I thought I knew a lot about the way things work in the physical universe but there I sat with my Jo on the floor realizing I knew nothing, nothing at all and I was completely humbled by what I heard and by reflecting on the great source of love I had unwittingly tapped into. I felt like I was the tiniest cog of a giant spiritual machine and I'd been given a real privilege glimpse of something far greater than the world of physical reality ever offered to me through the study of physics. The whole thing was impossible except that somehow through means I knew nothing about, it wasn't.

Natalie: So, wait a second. So, you'd been having these sessions with Joni for about a year but this was the first time that you ever heard what came through?

Julian: Yes, Natalie, it was. I thought I remembered what came through but I'd never heard any of the sessions read back. During these sessions, I was always focusing on maintaining the connection and waiting for the next words to come through. Most people probably believed that when this type of communication takes place, you're in a trance of some kind where you're not really present or something takes over your body. That's not it at all. The reason you tend not to remember is not that you're not really there but rather that your super there. You're so much present in the now moment, so fully focused on maintaining a connection and waiting for the next words to arrive and not losing contact that once a word comes through, you say it out loud and its gone for you because you're in the now moment. And of course, you understand that the communication is necessarily slowed down to allow Joni enough time to write what is given. So, I was often not aware of complete sentences, just a word at a time with no idea where the sentences and paragraphs were going. Afterwards, I remembered some things but I was completely floored by the wisdom I heard, perfectly written using a style that was different than my own and using words I didn't even know, read back all at once at a normal reading pace it just boggled my mind. We have now about thousands of hand written pages of this communication filled with wisdom and humor and insight and inspiration and always love. It always comes from a place of pure love.

Natalie: Okay, Julian, so you told me recently, almost no one knew about this communication sessions and no one knew what they contained? So, 18 months ago, something changed? Tell us more about that.

Julian: Well, Natalie, about 18 months ago, my partner in 10 Million Clicks for Peace, Rick Beneteau suggested something. You see, Rick and I had been working together for about 7 years now doing humanitarian work and he's known about the deeply spiritual nature of these communications. So, he suggested creating a spiritual mastery program called Modern Day Mastery based on the teachings and wisdom we had received. Now, Joni and I had known for some time that these communications would eventually come out but we've been very private about them and few people even knew they exist. The problem was that we'd not received any indication from higher guidance about when and how to release these teachings. So, I was deeply concerned and very reluctant. Joni and I were clear that we would not release any of this until we got permission. What I didn't know when Rick and I started building 10 Million Clicks for Peace to help war refugees and sponsor peace education was that this early work of ours was part of something much, much bigger. Over the years however, it became apparent just how much bigger the overall plan was for creating goodness in the world. So, with a much clearer vision of what this work was intended to do in the world and with specific guidance from higher op about the creation of the program, Joni and I were given permission to reveal part of the teachings and wisdom we'd received. I began writing various parts of a training program intended to help people take on their full roles in this lifetime. People who've been awakening to their own important missions in the world and this is where it gets really fun. To everyone who has felt for a long time that you've had something important to share with the world or we're on a great mission in this lifetime, I want you to know that this feeling you had is very, very real. There is a reason and purpose behind this feeling in your life. It's something you were born with and there's a special legacy you were meant to leave here on earth before you depart. You've felt it; you've heard the calling and you may have longed for years for some way to explore and express this but you haven't had a clear grasp on how to go about that or maybe you have felt cold to do a higher work but still without clarity on what it was. I assure you that if my words have been speaking directly to your soul today; know in your heart of hearts that this interview with Natalie is no accident in your life. It was intended for your ears in this moment and what we're about to discuss is central to the reason you incarnated. I want you to fully awaken to the mission that's been calling you all your life because when you expressed what you are born to do, a brilliant new future will appear before you that will make you wonder about how on earth you ever could have been so asleep for so many years to your true life.

Natalie: Great! Okay, Julian. So, can you talk more about this because so many of us have searched for a long time to discover our passion and our purpose in life but sometimes the passion discovery process doesn't really work. You ended up pursuing things that sounded good but we're still not where we're meant to be. So, why is it so hard to connect with our deeper mission?

Julian: Natalie, unfortunately you're right. Many of us have tried repeatedly to find out what we're passionate about and connect that with what we should be doing in our lives to live in greater harmony with who we really are and what we're here to do. As many of us have experienced however, the discovery process is anything but easy. Very often we get it wrong and we waste years of our lives going down the wrong path all the while thinking we're on the right path. What we need to do or what we need to get is a better passion discovery process. Let me tell you how I see many of us going through life. We make plans for what we think we're passionate about and then take actions accordingly. For a while, we're happier as we pursue what we're interested in but then it starts getting old or hard or uninspiring and we drift for a while and we're not so sure anymore if we're on the right track. We're not inspired and from this state, we go again on another passion hunt looking for a way to escape from what we created for ourselves. The passion discovery process then begins again and we go through another cycle. The problem with what I've just described is that we're always running away from something and that makes a lot of things look much more attractive than where we are right now and what we've got. It's the grass is always greener syndrome. While we're going through this passion exploration process, we have it in our heads that we're actually running towards something but the reality is that its pain that's driving us forwards, pain that we're looking to put far behind us. Let me tell you, escaping from something to get away from pain is not the energy you want permeating your passion search and if you examined your past, you can probably see many cycles of doing exactly this, I know I can and many people live their entire lives this way, cycle after cycle. In the end, they often settle for a life that is less than what they want, never finding fulfillment and never really discovering what they were meant to express or the mission they were born to deliver. What we need is a much better passion discovery process and I'll tell you right up front that you cannot begin with a mental or even a heart centered inquiry if you want to get this right, you see there's a lot working against you if you begin your search on this way. For one thing, there are some fundamental pre-requisites to beginning a passion search. If those things are not in place, your vision of your situation will be clouded and you're going to make poor decisions throughout the process. For another thing in most cases, a heart centered process is necessary but it's not sufficient to get you where you need to go, here's why. A heart centered process can only guide you up to a point because the information you're using during the exploration is coming from you and your limited life experience. What's wrong with that? Well, the answer is plenty. You came to earth with a sense of mission because you really do have one by definition though. A mission is something given to you by a higher source. If you're going to understand your mission, you need to first reconnect to that higher source and I'm not necessarily talking about God here. If you're religious, God is the natural first choice but if you're not religious, what do you do? The answer is surprisingly simple and it works for both. You've got to connect with what has been called that still small voice. That's the voice you hear in your head in very quiet spiritual moments. Everyone has these and from them we've gotten insights, understanding, inspiration, ideas even healings and if you're lucky, you've experienced a deep form of acceptance in love like the one I had during my first connection experienced.

Natalie: Yes, I'm on the same page as you with that. But even though we've all had connection experiences, they don't seem to happen enough. So, how can you begin a passion search when that still small voice is so elusive and it might not even talk to you?

Julian: Excellent point, Natalie, you're absolutely right. Just because you open decide one day that its time to do your passion search that doesn't mean that the still small voice is going to show up on cue and speak to you. There's no way to force it to speak to you because it's not coming from you. What you can learn to do however is to set up the pre-conditions under which you can hear it so, that you become more aware and receptive when it does come and by doing this, you can hear it almost every day and even several times a day. The reason it's so hard for most of us to connect like this is that it's really hard for us to get spiritually quiet enough to hear. You see the signals were attempting to hear from the greater and wiser universe are extremely faint. It's like trying to hear a whisper from across the room at a noisy party. The only way to hear it is to turn off the music and have everyone stop talking. You've got to reduce the noise in your head, in your body and in your life before you can hear these faint signals. In today's world, one of the biggest challenges you're up against is the continuable rush of electronic communications that contains marketing messages, fear based messages from the news that capture your mind, text messages and other forms of smart phone chatter, email, social media, television, radio, voice mail, movies, multimedia, devices, the tabloids, gossip and if you don't keep up you'll be overrun by them in about two hours. In fact, electronic gadget owns so much of your time and are so important to daily life that you've come to believe that no one can live without them. In reality, all these noise has taken away your piece of mind. You're more stressed than ever, you're always rushing, there's never enough time to do anything, you're in constant motion scrambling to keep up while making almost no forwards progress, you're free time is almost non-existent and your real life, your true life is rapidly melting away as you age faster than ever. But all this external noise says nothing of the constant noise in your own head and that's only partly cause by the repeated echoes of all the electronic chatter bouncing back and forth between your ears. Based on this, it's not surprising that modern man is more disconnected than ever from higher guidance. We're simply not peaceful enough to connect. But after all that even if we do connect, our communication experiences may only come at random moments and rarely give us the kind of regular insight and guidance we need to pursue the deeper and more meaningful life we want. If we attempt to pursue our passion and life purpose discovery under these conditions while trying to escape from what we don't like without the benefit of higher guidance we're practically doom to fail and we've seen repeated cycles of failures in our attempts. The cause to us has been staggering because we've wasted years of our lives going down paths that we thought were exactly what we were looking for and they turned out not to be. We found ourselves unfulfilled searching for meaning, feeling terribly, terribly alone and isolated while supposedly being more connected to each other than ever before and we're still searching. The process we teach for discovering your passion and purpose at modern day mastery reflects the reality of what I've just said. So, we don't begin with a mental or heart based inquiry. Before we ever ask you to work on your passion and purpose, we teach you how to connect to higher guidance, how to regularly hear that still small voice but before we can do this, we teach you how to get quiet, really, really quiet on the inside. What we teach is very comprehensive but by the time you're done you'll be amazed at your ability to connect. What I share is the exact process I used to connect, nothing is hidden, nothing left out. I give you everything you need to connect, everything I've learned and everything I know about how to connect. Natalie, the most gratifying experience for me has been seeing that every single student whose been thought this method is using it successfully, regularly to connect with higher guidance.

Natalie: Wow! That is an incredible success, right?

Julian: It truly is Natalie. In fact, it blows my mind. You know to be honest I had no idea what would happen when we exposed students to this method. I guess this is a self proving example of why we need to be using higher guidance especially when we're doing critical exploration that will determine how we direct so many years of our future. I'm not sure if I'd told you this before Natalie but the whole of the modern day mastery program was actually channel through me but it's not from me, that's what I attribute this incredible success right to, but let's go back to passion and purpose. If the only things we had to rely on when exploring our passion and purpose were our experienced and knowledge from this one earthly lifetime and if we try to put that into a mind or heart based inquiry by itself, we'd be at an extreme disadvantage. Instead by taking the time to learn to become really, really quiet and then connecting with higher guidance, we can literally save years of our lives by avoiding many wrong paths and much struggle. With higher guidance contributing wisdom, inspiration and insight and very loving expressions that are said in ways that we will uniquely hear and understand, we begin to reconnect with our true selves as many of us haven't done since we were small children. We return to a place of child-like innocence and clarity and from this place we dare once again ask the most simple and beautiful questions about why we can't make the world according to the beautiful visions we see. We come from a place of absolute freedom to see possibilities, to create with unlimited imagination and joy and intelligence and insight and wisdom and express boldly and vividly what we envision without fear. And you will know that the most beautiful words ever spoken and the most beautiful visions ever imagined come from the uncensored spirits of children. You've heard it said that a small child shall lead them, it turns out that the small child that shall lead us is our selves reconnected to higher guidance.

Natalie: Julian, thank you so much for saying that, that is beautiful and very heartwarming.

Julian: Thank you, Natalie, that's why I'm on this mission. So, let's say you find your passion and life purpose according to this higher method. Is that the end of it? Hardly. You see, once you've discovered your life purpose, there's still the big question of what to do? If you go through a regular passion and purpose discovery process, you're left to use your own brain to figure out things and plan accordingly but that's not the process provided by the teachings of modern day mastery. It's not enough to have your life purpose in hand, that's like a cake half baked. Passion and life purpose naturally lead to the next question, the one you've been trying to discover all your life. What is that big important thing you're meant to do? What is your life mission? You see, your life purpose and your life mission are two totally different things. Let's say that my purpose is to make people happy. Does that mean my life mission is to make people laugh by changing my career to being a comedian? Does it mean my life mission is to go to remote villages to dig wells and install water filtration systems to provide them clean drinking water to make them happy? Does it mean I'm meant to go around the world founding happiness clubs that teach others the skills for creating happiness in their own lives? My purpose to make people happy tells me absolutely nothing about what my life mission is. So, if you stop your discovery process after just passion and purpose, you're still not connected to what you're meant to do and if you use a regular discovery process, you simply may not be successful. So, what we do at modern day mastery is to take you through a discovery process that helps you uncover your life mission by tapping into higher guidance at every step along the way just as you did when you were discovering your passion and purpose. That's a huge difference because now you're tapping into inside and wisdom that you'd never touch upon if you just drew from your own life experienced only. With your life mission in hand, you're now at a beginning place of what we call your conscious mastery journey, operating in full alignment with your soul's reason for incarnating. You finally have the answer to the question of what great big important thing is it that you were meant to be learning and doing. Is it the end of it though? No, of course not. The whole point of developing your skill at connecting is to be able to tap into higher guidance so that you know day after day, week after week what you're meant to do to pursue your life mission. You need that higher perspective to gain the insights to take you on the next steps of your journey to avoid unseen obstacles, to gain wisdom in the face of the inevitable challenges you'll face in delivering your mission. What I guarantee is that your ability to tap into higher guidance will produce answers, insights, understanding and wisdom that will blow your mind regularly. Joni and I have thousands of pages that attest to this. But in saying all this, I don't want you think that modern day mastery is about discovering your passion, purpose and life mission because there is so much more. For one thing, mastery is an infinite journey. For another, permeating all of what we do as budding masters or masters in training as we call ourselves is the study of love and how best to express love in the world. We are constantly learning about how to express love in higher and broader ways. We learn about a lot of things, in fact, we learned about the sacred art of creation and methods for inspiring creation out of the universe. We talk about mastery over space, mastery over time, energy and also about mastery over lack. You see, abundance takes on a whole new dimension as you focus your efforts to be of highest service to the world and through this beautiful process, you discover the greatest fulfillment and meaning you will ever find in your life. You see, the search for abundance isn't really the search for abundance as most people conceived it, that's kind of like a kid in a toy store. The search for abundance is a search for deeper meaning and that's a direct by product of learning and practicing mastery.

Natalie: Yep. I love this and you know what, and you're so right about the lure of abundance being a part to the deeper meaning when we go far beyond the surface. Now, you've been using the word mastery a lot so, what's your definition of mastery?

Julian: Yes. Let me give you the working definition we used because it can be defined in so many ways. Mastery is the awaken control of one's heart, mind, thoughts, feelings and spirit to accomplish a particular task or mission as part of a greater service. Let me repeat that for you. Mastery is the awaken control of one's heart, mind, thoughts, feelings and spirit to accomplish a particular task or mission as part of a greater service. There is a lot to this definition and you already know that the direct connection experienced to higher guidance plays a central role. I can also say that the extraordinary life we're looking for, the one filled with abundance and meaning and deep fulfillment and love comes from the collection of practices we call mastery. It's all there in this one place. What we do as masters in training is to focus our efforts towards pursuing the life missions we incarnated with. These are the missions that are in perfect alignment with the harmony of our souls. Life missions are expressions of love and when they're expressed, they appear to others as some form beauty. Be it kindness, compassion, understanding, acceptance or actual works of visible beauty such as restoring the natural world. It is the beauty aspect that causes others in their busy lives to stop and pay attention. And in that moment, that they are touched, they are inspired upwards. It is from this place that they can begin seeking out more just as we did when we initially began the search for our own passions. This is the cycle of conscious mastery expressed. It folds around on itself and draws more and more people towards their own journey of conscious mastery, the journey of love.

Natalie: Well, this shows many characteristics of all true religions.

Julian: That's true Natalie, that as I mentioned earlier, we're not a church or religion. In fact, we specifically do not want you to follow us. Students of mastery become leaders in their own right. We want you to learn to connect in the privacy of your own home, uninfluenced by anyone or anything, reconnect with the mission you incarnated with and go express it. That is the kind of leadership this world desperately needs and is sorely lacking. You can as readily practice mastery if you're a Presbyterian, Hindu, Catholic or Muslim. Mastery is religion neutral. There are no gurus, no leaders, no intermediaries, no earthly guides, no holy books, no doctrines. It's just you and the universe, the most direct connection possible. The whole point of modern day mastery is to get you connected to that still small voice so nothing stands between you and the ultimate source. You received and experienced love directly. You'll awaken to the fact that you're not alone because of the connection you've established to the greater universe. In fact, you've never been alone and it's not even possible to be alone. You may have felt alone but that's before you knew how to connect. You're completely accepted for who you are. You see yourself in a new light which causes you to accept yourself as you are, a learning, growing, awakening master in training. When you connect, it doesn't matter whether you consider yourself connecting to God or to masters who have dedicated themselves to helping others of the mountains of love and wisdom. So, in this work, I am not a guru and I play no role in your awakening to your passion, purpose and mission. My part in this is simply to facilitate your learning of a sufficient body of understanding that came through to me, excuse me, came through me so that you can connect for yourself and charge your own mastery path with higher guidance for the rest of your infinite journey. You choose your path based on the private guidance you received through direct connection. That to me is the most exciting adventure there is on the path of love and from it you will find the deep meaning you've been searching for. In some ways, once you're off and running even passion, purpose and mission all disappear and you are left as a free spirit to create according to the highest levels of love you can perceive in perfect alignment with the brilliant, learning, spirit you are.

Natalie: Julian, thank you so much for being here and for opening this new door for everyone. Now, is there more that you'd like to share about modern day mastery or how do we find out more about it?

Julian: Yes, Natalie. This program is extensive and intended for anyone who has been searching for next steps. If you've listened to this whole interview and are excited by what's expressed, this is my mastery speaking to your heart and soul. Pay attention because genuine soul moments don't come along very often. The program is 9 months with 52 classes but it's been designed to be easy in your schedule usually just 1 to 2 hours per week. Natalie, we've created a special web page just for everyone from the inspiration show and mind movies with a significant discount. The page is 10mc.org/mission. That's 1-0 mc.org slash mission. Natalie, I also want to say thank you to you and I bow in spirit to you for who you are. You're doing good work in the world. You inspire me actually. Keep going. Keep inspiring and keep loving. Many blessings to you and to everyone. Take care.

Natalie: Thanks again, Julian for this incredible interview. Now, I encourage you to share this video and all the information in it and you can do that by clicking the Facebook and the Twitter share buttons above. And if you haven't done so already, make sure you put your email on the box above there. I would love to send you my Manifesting with the Masters Video E-Course. Includes masters like Bob Proctor, John Assaraf and Joe Vitale. It's actually valued $87 but I'd love to send it to you for free so make sure you put your email on the box above there to get that. So until next time, remember to live large, choose courageously and love without limits. We'll see you soon.